With the Avengers locking Thanos in place and almost taking the Gauntlet, it could be assumed that they would've beaten him and taken all the Infinity Stones back. They added that after Thanos achieves his goal and initiates the Snap, he destroys the Infinity Stones because no other being strong enough could wield the stones. And what of the titular "endgame" itself? All Rights Reserved. But while some have laid the blame for all that chaos at the feet of certain heroes, things might have worked out for the best, given how dangerous things could have gone for the heroes. Strange saw millions of possible futures and only saw one that ended in victory and that was the one Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Not all powers work the same way on everyone. Also, The Ancient One mentions that she can't see beyond her death so there may have also been some in that 14 million which they did succeed but Strange died before seeing that possibility and so counted it as a fail. RELATED: Doctor Strange 2 Already Proved the Most Powerful Avenger's Worst Loss Made Him Stronger. But there wasn't enough onscreen proof that the events casted by reality stone is more than hyper-realistic illusion, and DS might be able to see through it given that he is a soccerer supreme. Ant-man pops out kicks off the time heist. Of course, this is just my speculation and I would be glad to hear your thought even if to be proven wrong :-). grave and saved an incalculable amount of lives. "Oh, we win in 1 of 14,000,000 scenarios? He knew that there was no possible way to win on Titan but that several things needed to happen and if they did not happen exactly according to his vision victory would be statistically impossible. The Mad Titan could avoid this risk entirely, or it could spell out his final fate as part of Strange's larger plan. And of course, Doctor Strange is not entirely helpless even without the time stone, and capable of putting up a decent fight with his verstility to protect the stone, so it might not be so easy for Thanos to "just take it" and end the loop himself even if he could perform the undo spell. Looking for all the world like a vengeful Hamlet, Kang holds aloft Thanos' skull, triumphant. Press J to jump to the feed. Thus,while he may not have been trying to save Earth specifically, his Snap still would've saved half the population. If disintrigate the very stone itself could not stop its effect, I am not sure if someone else can just take it and make it stop without the caster's consent. Unlikely. Thanos is a master planner, he has thought of basically everything in most presentations of the character. He is a master of numerous fie So, if Doctor Strange had simply used the time stone to stop or slow time, there's no way Thanos would have time to react to that stimulus, formulate a response, and have his nervous system send the signal down to act on that response all in way less than the blink of an eye. Doctor Strange uses the Time Stone to view over 14 million alternate futures to determine the outcome of their battle but is unsettled to see only one of Dormammu resides in a different dimension, not a different universe. He can't control anything about time, just is independent of it. If you are talking about MCU Dr Strange vs MCU Thanos , then Dr strange would win. If you didnt know, then Doctor Strange at his absolute best had fought someone who was wielding all the Infinity Stones, and thats Adam Warlock. In Stephen Strange's MCU debut, he beat Dark He's covered a wide range of movies and TV shows - from digging out obscure MCU Easter eggs to diving deep into deeper meanings of arthouse fare - and has covered a litany of set visits, junkets and film festivals. While Strange's actions may have briefly allowed the eradication of half of all life, he at least survived the battle with his soul intact and most of the universe restored. The trio run into more than half of the Guardians of the Galaxy, including Star-Lord (Chris Pratt), Mantis (Pom Klementieff), Drax (Dave Bautista), and Nebula (Karen Gillan). to Dream Walk, giving him the chance to venture across the multiverse and puppet his variants. RELATED: How Marvel's Eternals Hid in Plain Sight for Thousands of Years. However,not everyone is convinced by this theory. The person needs to consciously think and act to get them to do the things you want. Because out of 14 million possible outcomes there was only 1 where they succeed, and it wasn't by Dr. My though would be maybe its a bad idea having all of the stones except one on a desolate planet with 2 narcissists who have proven in the past not capable of respecting the consequences of using infinity stones(and one of them seems to do it again in the next Spider-Man). In fact, Avengers: Secret Wars title logo and color scheme seem to signal Doctor Dooms Secret Wars upgrade as God Emperor Doom. The Mad Titan wishes to destroy Kang the Conquerer, and the Avengers want to undo the damage he's caused to the patchwork-of-time-periods Earth. The time loop only worked on Dormammu like that because his realm had no relative time. Also, time-loop is not the only spell/skill in Doctor Strange's asenal, how would Thanos counter time-freeze right off the bat? You may have also seen/heard him on the Total Geekall podcast, unaffiliated YouTube channels, BBC Radio and CBC News. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. All the latest gaming news, game reviews and trailers. Round 3: Doctor Strange with time stone (with prep AND foresight) vs 4-stone Thanos, 20 feet apart, time loop already activated. If it were any other opponent, Thanos would obliterate them in secondsbut this is Kang, and Kang is master of seconds, days, years and more. And yes, I understand that Thanos had other stones that would allow him to be less susceptible to the time stone's power, but the stones, as far as I know, don't act independently. He does go through some measure of self sacrifice to achieve his goals but his main thing is that other people have to be sacrificed to save everyone else. can any of the stones help Thanos in gaining victory if Doctor Strange has already foreseen every possible moves he could make? Let's be real here: Dr. Strange affected freaking Dormammu with his atomic manipulation , if Dormammu had hard time against it, then Thanos has no Yes, its Thanos. Contains spoilers for Avengers: Mech Strike #4! Although Avengers: Infinity War debuted in theaters nearly four years ago, MCU fanatics can't help but debate over one pivotal scene involving everyone's favorite Sorcerer, Doctor Stephen Strange (Benedict Cumberbatch). It takes the power of all three stones to create the laws of physics as we know them, independently they lack the qualities of the other. It has always been evident that Doctor Strange is playing a long game at the end of Infinity War, despite its cataclysmicshort term consequences. Thanos should still win, although he'd have to try much harder. But how would he have failed? There are practically infinite possibilities and who's to say that there aren't more but he just didn't look past that first one. Would he be froze still or can he still perform? Maybe the reality stone could counter it if the user can trick the timer into undo the spell/give up the stone. Maw stopped Strange from casting a spell with the time stone, the stones thanos has can be used to do the same thing. Related: The MCU's Next Big Villain Just Handed Thanos His Most Shocking Defeat. The only reason for that is he has the Infinity Stones. Round 1: Doctor Strange with time stone (no prep) vs 4-stone Thanos, 20 feet apart, can both activate at the very moment the battle starts. He also conducts industry interviews, is a Rotten Tomatoes certified film critic, and knows a LOT about the X-Men. Directed by Joe and Anthony Russo, Avengers: Endgame stars Robert Downey Jr., Josh Brolin, Mark Ruffalo, Tom Hiddleston, Chris Evans, Chris Hemsworth, Jeremy Renner, Chris Pratt, Elizabeth Olsen, Chadwick Boseman, Sebastian Stan, Benedict Cumberbatch, Paul Bettany, Samuel L. Jackson, Cobie Smulders, Benedict Wong, Zoe Saldana, Karen Gillan, Vin Diesel, Dave Bautista, Pom Klementieff, Scarlett Johansson, Tom Holland and Anthony Mackie. Strength and power are not the same thing. In terms of strength physical strength no, Dr. Strange is not stronger than Thanos. Thanos is literall 8 Doctor Doom. ", Some of these comments show why the ancient one would NEVER have given you the time stone. I think that's one of the reason why Doctor Strange did not used the Time stone during the infinity war. Then we wouldn't have another potentially multi billion dollars movie. As seen following the iconic snap, the Gauntlet was damaged, possibly beyond repair, and having removed Etri's hands following the Gauntlet's construction, it's unlikely that a replacement can be forged. WebDoctor Strange did indeed use the Time Stone to beat Thanos. While Strange could control time with the Time stone, Thanos could control reality with the reality stone. We assume Strange still has precog information before Tony's snap from the dialogue; Tony asks "Is this it? Being trapped for millennia would certainly have an impact, but as presented Thanos is a true unstoppable force. Strange can't just fight Thanos the same way and be successful. The stones would've just kept being a thing otherwise. lol. He didn't show up to the first fight anyways, don't know if he would be there for this newer hypothetical fight. Strange has power over time and has used this offensively many times before, it would seem strange to me if he was only examining paths from the present one. Seeing as the Book of Vishanti had the ability to grant the reader anything they need to accomplish their goals, the Illuminati probably didn't have to endure five years of hardship before going back in time to get old versions of the Stones the way the Avengers did. He once asked Tom Cruise about his supposedly fake-butt in Valkyrie (he swore it was all real). All the latest gaming news, game reviews and trailers. There is always a chance but by himself he would not have much of one with out doing something dramatic like when he fought the Hulk He used the po In the comics, Drax is not only much stronger than his on-screen counterpart, he was essentially created to defeat Thanos. . . . . . . . . . . Just new Spider-Man trailer seems to imply hes not worthy of the time stone either. Thor could have brought rocket and groot to titan instead of wakanda, dr strange could have chopped thanos in half with a portal when they put him to sleep, or at least cut off his left hand, loki could have used the space stone to get the asgardians to earth and then they could have a 3 to 1 stone advantage on thanks, etc. The team utilized the Book of Vishanti to come out of this battle on top as Professor X, Captain Carter, Maria Rambeau, Black Bolt, Mr. There may be only one way to do that. All of that leads to one big question, however - what happened in all of those alternate futures that Doctor Strange saw in Avengers: Infinity War? Ben has taken a 'Film Production & Cinematography' university course, and recently completed a 'Scriptwriting' masters course, both completed at Bournemouth University. If even a small mistake or deviation from the plan was made he would rewind time and try again. The primary alternate reality that takes up part of Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness' plot is Earth-838. This term, of course, comes with its own strategic implications, from a popular tactic in chess. @user189728 Considering Dr. Screen Rant's Managing Editor, Alex Leadbeater has been covering film online since 2012 and been a permanent fixture of SR since 2016. With Doctor Strange peering into over 14 million possible futures, one fan theory suggests he foresaw a key event from Eternals: the emergence. In 2016's Doctor Strange, Stephen uses the Time Stone to age an apple forward in time, watching it rot in the span of seconds. I mean if everyone has a 50/50 to live or die one could argue that the one in 14 million is the exact set of circumstances that those individuals get you be exactly ever the needed to. While this horrifies the other Avengers, this clearly isn't a power limited to Kang. ), -No Ant man still? Fans constantly theorize about Doctor Strange's sacrifice, with many claiming he gives up the Time Stone because the only way the Avengers can defeat Thanos is after he collects all of the Infinity Stones and erases half of the universe. The other key difference between the two situations is knowledge of the Time Stone. I think he had the sling ring. If yes, how would he overcome the time loop/time freeze? Almost all of the heros have made major self sacrifices in order to save others in the past. None of that contradicts what the OP said though A question I always wondered is were all these possibilities as a result of them landing on Titan? Share Improve this answer Follow edited Apr 9, 2020 at 4:42 A.R.K 103 6 Are these dimensions part of the same universe though? I also wonder why Doctor Strange didn't just use the time stone to defeat Thanos. Plus, while we have seen Thanos used the most basic form of time manipulation but simply turning the time back, he is not a socerer so there is no gurantee he could cast/undo the higher form of spells such as time-loop. Infinity war flips this value on its head and asks if you are willing do the opposite of the heroic action in order to bring about the greater good. 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Marvel confirms Doctor Strange could have easily stopped Thanos by using a horrific time-manipulation technique. Thanos has stones here. I feel like together, they would have prevented Thanos from obtaining the Time and Mind stone leaving Thor with the ability to cut off his head. Why is Doctor Strange able to go toe-to-toe with Thanos? I see the other answers are focusing mostly on the fact that Doctor Strange used the Tim In Infinity War, Thanos' primary goal on Titan is to get the Time Stone from Strange; bringing it out of wherever he'd hidden it to create a loop riskedexposing it to attack. Redditor Thomascgalvin suggests that, while viewing the alternate futures, Strange came to the realization that Thanos' use of the Infinity Gauntlet's full power was a one-time only feat. Doctor Strange In the Multiverse Of Madness, who continues to make his presence felt through Phase 4, like the connection to his brother Eros in, Professor X, Captain Carter, Maria Rambeau, Black Bolt, Mr. Marvel admits Doctor Strange had another way to take care of Thanos through time manipulationbut Thanos would suffer a horrific fate. As Doctor Strange desperately tried to figure out a way to defeat Thanos in Avengers: Infinity War, he peered into 14,000,605 possible futures. Even Thanos himself questions it during their fight. Only Star Lord was willing sacrifice a loved one to save the universe and for that he gained Thanos respect. This would ultimately lead to Earth-616's Avengers embarking on atime heist, restoring all life throughout the universe, and reducing Thanos' army with the snap of Iron Man's nano gauntlet inAvengers: Endgame. Or maybe Thanos resurrects Gamora out of grief, and this gives the Avengers the opening they need. Thanos can basically use the stones to make a bubble of independent reality around his body, meaning he can still act outside of time. Isn't it simply explained that it needed to be the precise individuals who needed to survive (and come back with Hulk's snap)? A similar decision was taken by Stephen who can see into the multiverse when he handed Thanos the Time Stone, which seemed ridiculous at first but was necessary to save his reality. GTA 6: Did Rapper 50 Cent Just Tease His Role In Next Grand Theft Auto? The pair bicker throughout the entire movie, but we're just supposed to believe that the Master of Mystical Arts wants to save Tony that desperately? I think you're expecting too much from fantasy. Thanos with 4 stones should have no problems breaking free even if strange somehow succeeds in casting a spell when he failed doing so against Maw. If even one person is standing a few feet away from where they need to be they could be killed, injured, or too slow to help out another. When Strange reversed time in the final fight of his movie, Kaecellius and his followers broke out of the spell within few moments. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. None of the other allies can die. You can follow him on Twitter @samstoneshow and ask him about Nintendo, pop punk, and Star Trek. A subreddit dedicated to the Marvel Cinematic Universe! They were separated and had no real plan until it was too late. Doctor Strange likely saw millions of futures where the Avengers beat Thanos, but he would have also seen millions more where the Earth is destroyed soon after by the Celestial. Not a victory. Furthermore, in round three when DS is given the opportunity to foresee all possibly future battle outcomes, he would know any potential tactics Thanos might use and thus could effectively steer the direction of battle away from these to ones that are more favourable toward himself. When Strange was looking into the future, did he see the 5 year gap or was it like a blank void to him, and then being re-awakened again when the Hulk snaps everyone back? Fantastic, and Doctor Strange, Eitri the Dwarf made for him on Nidavellir, the Book of Vishanti had the ability to grant the reader anything they need, because he wasn't the Sorcerer Supreme of his universe yet, making the Stark tech gauntlet, and bringing everybody back to life, Tony snapped his fingersand sacrificed himself to kill Thanos, Iron Man: Disney Releases Never-Before-Seen Post-Credits Clip Online, Mario MOVIE Director Confirms Princess Peach's Role Reversal. The examples can be seen of him going against Dormammu and Thanos. Just two years later, Doctor Strange found himself fighting another near unstoppable force who threatened mass destruction: Thanos. This would've prevented the other Eternals from finding out their true purpose and rebelling. 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