And we won't play on people's fears. And so I will go to the king, which is against the law; and if I perish, I perish!. Read what the real women of God did in scripture, neither Cain nor Meyer fit the model. Published in Testimony. Believe it or not, I used to believe very similar to youthat as a woman I had no power to influence other men, that I was to simply shut up and do as I am told by the men around me, etc. For four months following the surgery, every minute of every day was excruciatingly painful. Thanks to Christine, I plan on inviting several lost people to study the Bible with me this Easter season. And for that I am so thankful. Does the author of this article have the power of discerning a persons heart? I only speak on my personal experiences, what I have read, what I have heard, what I have been taught, and what interactions I participated in. Mariners Church. As Priscilla is always paired with her husband, Aquila, it is difficult to separate her and place her on a pedestal of her own. Christine Caine is the founder of A21, an international anti-human trafficking organization, and Propel, a woman's organization dedicated to helping women realize their purpose, passion and potential. Those who persist in false teaching present grave spiritual danger and must be opposed. If you have won souls to Christ this way, or have gotten any of the people you attack to repent, then AMEN. Thanks, Amy! Dont sit back and have others do the work for you. I dont believe it. Be kind and good. To whoever wrote this, I pray that love invades your heart for a daughter of the King. The first three points more or less presuppose the context of a local congregation. This explains what is happening today as The Lords return grows closer: 2Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and encourage with every form of patient instruction. You are absolutely right that the two have become blurred here in the westand if so probably all over the world. Click here for instructions on how to enable JavaScript in your browser. Now lets flip that around and look at it from our perspective. Watch on. Also, I realize this argument is contentious among divided denominations who believe preaching and teaching are mens roles only in the church. 11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost. Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth (Revelation 2:14-16). 24 And the Lords bond-servant must not be quarrelsome, but be kind to all, able to teach, patient when wronged, 25 with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition, if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the truth, 26 and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, having been held captive by him to do his will (2 Timothy 2:24-26). 15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. Christine Caine is wife to Nick, mother to Catherine and Sophia, author of Undaunted, and founder of The A21 Campaign, an antihuman trafficking organization striving to abolish slavery in the 21st century. What was Yahwehs word for them repent, return or you will be judged. It involves tearing down every speculation and lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God (2 Corinthians 10:5). A conversation about her marriage to pastor Francis Chan and their urban ministry in San Francisco. Christ and Paul confronted people DIRECTLY. Wow. You may see that as liberal-feminism or call me a heretic, but I see that as the Christ in me touching the heart of someone who had lost his way. 7 Woe unto the world because of offences! We need to be careful not to underestimate how important our response to correction is. Yoga. Premier Christianity uses cookies Read our cookie policy. Did you know that Lydia and Priscilla are both listed BEFORE their husbands in the book of Acts because the writing style of the day indicated listing the LEADER of the household FIRST? . Continue reading. I am not at that point where I would feel confident before Him doing the same, so I only ask that you understand. That is the CLEAR difference. Has the author of this article suddenly become God and we are unaware of it? When learning we have a responsibility to also study and pray with diligence and seek Gods will not blindly follow the teachings of any man or woman.. People afraid to go to church.. Ok, Ill step out of the conversation again. Jesus called the Pharisees out to their faces. I pray that you havent turned anyone away from God by listening to your bunch of garbage. Michelle, if the Christ you follow is the Christ that Christine Caine espouses, then its not the Christ of the Bible. Christians publicly label entire groups of people, make assumptions about political affiliations, and vilify entire groups rather than seeking to lovingly understand and correct. When I really got established in the Word at Hillsong Church, it was awesome, but it has cost me everything. As I mentioned yesterday, pastoral ministry is not merely a building up, but also a tearing down. Christine Caine is an ordained pastor of her church in Australia, and also regularly speaks and travels without her husband. 107 quotes from Christine Caine: 'Sometimes when you're in a dark place you think you've been buried, but you've actually been planted.', 'God is able to take the mess of our past and turn it into a message. You do not need to read Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic to have a happy marriage, just be a Christian! Your words are so wise Alison Jones: I am a Christian living in South Wales, UK, and ha Annie G.: It is not wrong to consecrate a day for the Lord, Greg: I agree. Do you know me to say such a thing? Christine considers Joyce her spiritual mother: https://michellelesleybooks.com/2016/03/04/chhave-no-regard-for-the-offerings-of-caine/. I needed to feel this I had to walk through my own valley, but their path seemed so much harder and darker than mine," says Caine. We name names not because we have issues personally with the person, but the teaching which we are absolutely supposed to judge against scripture. The speaker began to define abuse as "something that endangers a child physically or psychologically through neglect or emotional, physical or sexual mistreatment.". From Abused To Unashamed: Christine Caine's Story. The only teachers whom the church supports are those whose teaching is in accordance with the standard of divine truth (3 John 8). God looks out for us all, dont you agree? New Age I find this website quick to site scriptures to denounce the heretic in question, but slow to provide biblical reference to support their own advice/logic. God is relational but He is also Almighty God, Yahweh and there are no other gods before Him. I used to come on sites like this and tear down women like Joyce Meyer and Christine Caine, much like you do. Dont sit back and have others do the work for you. Stage 1 or stage 4 cancer was not going to impact the ability of the surgeon to cut my throat I wanted to be delivered from this situation, but ten weeks later, I discovered God wanted me to walk through this.". International evangelist, author and activist Christine Caine had to fight for years to really trust God and truly believe in his goodness. There was no big crisis of faith, she says, just a build-up of the pressures of life and the responsibilities that she carries. Where is that Biblical? If he is that kind of guy, then theres a real question about his fitness for ministry. I believe you have keyboard courage. I think we have to be careful here. People who post here are haters and not lovers of Christ! But Christine Caine is here to speak above that noise with the truth of how God sees you, and who he's created you to be, so you can make his name famous! You cant add or take away from the gospel and thats what they are doing. Paul has a word to those who are pastors and who aspire to be a pastor. Click here for instructions on how to enable JavaScript in your browser. We were diligent churchgoers, but it seemed to be more about our culture rather than a focus on a personal relationship with Jesus. Ill wait. I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars . #Disappointment #Moving #Mean "God is able to take the mess of our past and turn it into a message. I had developed a lot of patterns of destructive behaviour and negative thought patterns.The big turnaround in my life was at Sydney University. They make themselves rich by promising you the same. The Judge is standing at the door! James 5:9, But if you harbor bitter envy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast about it or deny the truth. James 3:14, who are you to judge people, especially servants of God I believe that instead of writing false things, I pray God gives you the same discernment concerning your life. If its a false doctrine, its a false doctrine, no matter you feelings about it. Life and death is in the power of the tongue.nothing wrong with positive prayers and claiming blessings over our children. It can come from things we have done, and from things others have done to us. Paul commands Titus and the believers in Crete to distance themselves from false teachers, As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and then twice, have nothing more to do with him (Titus 3:10). Ill be sure to steer clear. What Im reading are a whole bunch of prideful Im SO right and they are SO wrong! posts that arent helping anyone but perhaps the ego of the posters. You have yet to back up with scripture how what you are doing is the appropriate way of handling false teachers, by Denny Burk on April 8, 2014 in Christianity, Theology/Bible. You are not confronting directly, and you know it. It sounds exhausting and it would be if I was striving but its a response to the invitation of God. Finding your way back to God when everything is pulling you away(Nelson). Warn them, lovingly. 4So they will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.. Futurism/Transhumanism I would beseech you to dump Caine and sit down with a bible and rethink what you have been taught. Some writers suggest that she was the more energetic of the two, and perhaps had the stronger character. If youre honest enough with yourself and do a bit of research in to Caine, Beth Moore and the myriads of so called teachers, youll find their doctrines of demons does not square with scripture! You know for someone who looks down on judging, you sure do a lot of it. When Christine was a youth pastor at the Hillsong Church, she attended a workshop on abuse to get ideas about how to help people. 4:00PM EDT 9/12/2014 Christine Caine. By calling out heresy and false teaching, we are intended to judge those that call themselves Christians, we are not to judge with bad motives or pride, we are not to judge those outside the church. And I wont get into the Catholic church and its covering up of abuse, or twisting of scripture to idolize the Pope and Mary. Our job is not to judge others. Lets get people into the boat and stop fighting amongst one another. See what Paul says of their Ill: 13For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. Im sure Craig Groeshel and Chris Hodges are somewhere on your false teachers list as well. A father of two who saw an opportunity for both his family and his business to get involved. She notes that the severity of her cancer above her larynx was undermined by people who would say it was not a big deal but she notes that it became surreal to her the moment she was lying on the operating table with a scalpel at her throat. She loves to read, swim in the sea, play netball and lift weights with her dad. Paul ratchets up the rhetoric when facing down serious error coming from Hymenaeus and Alexander: Some have rejected and suffered shipwreck in regard to their faith. Grace be with thee. In point 6, it reads: If they persist despite the warnings and either dont have a husband to oversee them, have no proper oversight from a husband who has abdicated his duty, or who just are or are married to a discernment klutz, then various scriptures say either to admonish them strongly a third time and/or to break fellowship., Point six is given without a bible reference. The reality is that while these religions are easily identifiable in places like the Congo, Haiti and Mongolia, they arent so easily identified here. Whether youre listening to her speak or reading one of her many books, Caines hard-won wisdom flows freely. As followers of Jesus in whom all things were made, we acknowledge the Darug people as the Traditional Custodians of the Country where our Station is located. Trying to save? Then you cant judge anything outside of your sphere, and you judge me because I do make a judgement, I dont need to see C. Cain personally to hear one of her sermons or Joyce Meyer either, just pick up one of their books, watch one of their videos and their words either accuses or excuses their actions. Pastors have a responsibility to oppose false teaching whenever it arises. Every time we put a trafficker in jail, I feel like Joseph in Genesis 50:20, who says to his brothers: You meant this for evil against me, but God meant it for this very purpose. The greatest thing I can do is bear much fruit. I was born for this time - and so were you. I wrote the last chapters during the first three months of lockdown. In spite of the fact that Caine teaches ubiblical word-faith/prosperity theology and engages in New Age practices, she has been a featured speaker for Louis GigliosPassion conferences and has preached with prominent Reformed pastor John Piper. How can anyone hear the voice of the Holy Spirit with all these self proclaimed wise know it alls. (2 Peter 3:16). Priscilla also led her household in the making of disciples., Thyatira in the province of Lydia (located in what is now western Turkey) was famous for the red [variety of purple] dye. While I am not an avid follower of Caine, Meyer or Beth Moore, the times I have seen them, their husbands were in the audience (and their travel schedules referenced). Hagin (19172003) believed that it is Gods will that believers would always be in good health, financially successful, and happy. Best-selling Christian author Christine Caine is calling on all Christians to get real and be authentic in their relationships in her new book. She travels without her husband! Pluease! I understand you want her husband overseeing what she saysbut traveling without your husband for work is not, in it self, a sin. He wasn't helping me. THE PANDEMIC HAS CAUSED PEOPLE TO DRIFT FROM CHURCHITS TIME FOR US ALL TO CHECK OUR MARKERS. I watched T.D. 4. We cant save anyone, we present the unadulterated Gospels, we present Jesus as the only way to The Father, the only way to salvation. Its quite a shocking thing to find out youre not who you thought you were. CHRISTINE CAINE is a dynamic and passionate visionary whose powerful testimony of restoration impacts thousands of lives around the world each year. Absolutely agree with her. ~ Christine Caine. Thanks to Christine, I plan on inviting several lost people to study the Bible with me this Easter season. Thank you, Amy, for cleaning this up. Surely not the Christ of scripture, for we come to the Father only through Him, without the Son theres no salvation, you cant earn it, work for it, it is an undeserved gift, we cant ever repay. perverted and sinful, being self-condemned (Titus 3:11) Purpose Driven (Romans 16:17-18). God will be our judge! You seem to love uprooting absolutely EVERYTHING someone has learneddo you WANT to leave them with nothing? Neither should you. God does not want shepherds to be pugnacious and walking around all the time with a theological chip on their shoulder. IT IS EXTREMELY COSTLY TO BE AN AUTHENTIC FOLLOWER OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST. In this post, we will consider what pastors and congregations are supposed to do in response to such persons who emerge in their midst. Weve always been Jesus first, kingdom first. Spiritual Formation Take note of how Priscilla, along with her husband, corrected the error of Apollos. (Marin) Im pretty confident that both of these women were richly blessed.. We pay our respects to Elders past, present and future. We have examples in scripture where bona fide believers are the source of error in the church. The key word: DIRECTLY. Christine Caine: Unleashing Your Life. As I have confessed elsewhere, I have been in this position before. At one point, 24 years ago, holding a toilet brush, I laughed out loud and thought, Wow, this is not what I thought ministry would look like. Dominionism (NAR) Christine Caine regularly associates and partners in ministry with false teachers. Its Gods job to judge them, and those who were false teachers will be judged all the more sternly. I know Im glad Manny and Amy dont have a heaven or hell to put people in, because it sounds like theyd throw Lydia and Priscilla in. If God called them to preach then who are you to deny what God has called them. Worse, she enjoys teaching young women to step into leadership roles that scripture forbids and is unashamed to say so. We extend that respect to all First Nations peoples. God speaks to male and femalehe does not discriminate. Its not complicated. Nothing loving here as far as i can see. It hurts to look at. But just as you assume others come on here just to defend their favorite teachers, I ask what do you come on here to do? Jakes accept an invite to speak in a room with some reformed guys in 2012 to discuss his belief in the oneness dcotrine of the church to which he categorically spoke of his background in that momvement and how since then he has moved away from that doctrine toa trinitarian doctrine, he was asked every question of the beliefs of the Chrsitain faith and affirmed them all. When I was young, I cried out to God in my naivete and innocence, and in my desperation felt he wasn't stopping anything. If needing to a second time, warn them lovingly again, seasoning your speech with salt. they are still teaching the gospel and people are coming to Christ. His grace would be sufficient for me," says Caine. During the interview, Christine shared the story of how, at the age of . These are the very people that turn people away from God with all their judging and misinterpretation of the bible. 2023 Hope Media Ltd ABN 94 284 074 898. Are you kidding? Do I seem like this in my workplace, my family, on social media? What do you spend most of your time worrying about?. Study of the two commandments Jesus left us would be better use of your time. - Christine Caine. 12 How think ye? then I realized you are in a bad twisted place.. and if I could meet you have coffee with you see your life then that would be confirmed. The key word: DIRECTLY. Known for her ability to effectively communicate a message of hope, Christine has a heart for reaching the lost, strengthening leadership, and championing the cause of justice. This is such a mess. 7:8 & 28), in order to devote whole-hearted service to God without distraction or obligation of the family. More thankful than I have words to express right now," Caine said in her blog. God gave you a lifeboat. We're now able to provide a place through the A21 Campaign, an international antihuman trafficking organization with the goal of abolishing slavery in the 21st century, for those who feel like they have no purpose and that nobody loves them. Keep in scriptures, you might find better things to do than this. However, I see the followers of this site not as such.. 6. In numerous instances, the Bible commends believers to ostracize those who will not repent of their false teaching. Pray for wisdom and for Jesus to control your anger. God bless you, may He open your eyes to His truth, and may He be a lamp unto your feet! I listen to Christine Caines messages and Ive never heard anything bad. Why dont you pick up scripture and compare what she says to what the word of God says? Published on September 24, 2019. The shame and guilt of childhood sexual abuse hasn't stopped Christine Caine from sharing the love of Jesus with people across the world. Lydias evident social power exemplified by her control of a household and ownership of a house (which she offered to St. Paul and his companions) indicates that she was most likely a free woman and possibly a widow. I dont recall anyone telling you to shut up and do as Im told, you my friend have a chip on your shoulder, and are having a hard time distinguishing between false gospel, womens rights, and your perceive notion of what is biblical and what isnt. (Here and Here) Piper, who holds to a complementarian view, has received a lot of heat for sharing teaching duties with a woman who claims false teacherJoyce Meyer as her mentor. I am curious to know the biblical basis for those who are unmarried to not be able to minister? Christine Caine, sexually abused but saved and freed in Jesus. Please tell me that you have been right 100% of the time in your teachings and have never needed greater depth of insight. Christine Caine Reveals She Had Cancer for Nearly Three Months; Says God Healed Her Body, Christian college asks Supreme Court to stop Biden's trans dorm directive, M.I.A. That's why Hope 103.2 exists: to bring the message of hope to our community through a family-friendly, safe listening environment. If you hate the sheep you will not warn them against the ravenous wolves we have been told would come. The shame and guilt of childhood sexual abuse hasnt stopped Christine Caine from sharing the love of Jesus with people across the world. Its not about who is qualified, whether they are male or female, whether they have gone to college for decades or even if they arent human. I sadly find some of this ridiculous. And the whole -you are tearing down His Kingdom bit just love till it hurts ,just love , love, love,anything and everything cuz its all about love is pure and utter b.s. In Apollos case, his deficient teaching was an error of omission. YOU have an issue. Just like peter you dont know what spirit you are speaking from. Paul wrote letters DIRECTLY to those who were out of linehe didnt write to everyone else BUT them. Weve seen that, this last year, everything else has been shaken. Get more articles like this delivered straight to your inbox! Do you think theres a lack of urgency in Western Christianity, because were too comfortable? 3:3). 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